What I meant was that they are saying Atheist are like lost children without a creator which I think is kind of a shallow and miss guided thing to say. Seems like they always resort to childish and miss guided name calling at anything that is a threat to their way of thinking. Its like they don't want to think about the idea that santa does not exist because than how could you explain all the presents.
Neon Bible
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Watchtower 2008 says belief in Evolution makes you a helpless lost Orphan???
by Witness 007 inwatch feb 1st "if we really are the product of evolution and there is no creator, the human race would in a sense be an orphan.
mankind would have no source of superior wisdom to consult - no one to help us solve our problems.
we would have to resort to human wisdom to avert enviromental disaster.
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I don't believe there is a heaven...
by Snoozy ini don't believe there is a heaven that so many religions teach, do you?
it all sounds like a fairy tale made up to make dying easier or as a threat to make someone have a conscience... i got into a discussion about it with my jw converted to catholic daughter and she just couldn't believe anyone could feel like i do.
i am glad she threw away the jw teachings and glad she believes in something so wonderful but i for one just can't.
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Neon Bible
"Actually it is accurate. He did not say only in the Bible, he also meant (correct me if I'm wrong Farkel) things like the Crusades, Inquisition, etc. Wars outside the Bible that happened because their sky daddy was MUCH more powerful than the other sky daddy."
No, his argument is regrading the God of the Bible so this would only apply to wars approved by the God of the Bible such Wars of the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites. These wars where fought on the premiss that they were approved of God through the True Profits. Any wars in current day fought using self praise and the approval of a nations God or Gods is presumptuous that ones God is in approval.
The God of the bible no longer uses a nation in self defensive of such holy wars and that would be ambiguous to name such approval. Any one can kill in the name of God in war. Mans self judged approval does not justify it is approved by God. I believe God is against war, even though has allowed war under certain circumstances. Mans actions in the name of a God or Christinaity do not justify it as moraly right or approved by God. Anyone can wear a cross neckless but you will know them by their fruits.
If two guys were to get in a fight for a girl they don't even know, it does not mean the girl approves of the fight or approves the violence or prefers an outcome for a winner.
On the other hand, if a man came to find another man trying to rape his wife and she screamed for help, her approval and justification of defense would be warranted with her approval. That does not mean the violence is something that is praised but it is warranted of self defense against such evil and selfishness in a horrific situation. These hypothetical scenarios are not always so black and white in justifying the complexities of such moral dilemmas in sociology and in the existance of a world with evil or a sinful nature.
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Watchtower 2008 says belief in Evolution makes you a helpless lost Orphan???
by Witness 007 inwatch feb 1st "if we really are the product of evolution and there is no creator, the human race would in a sense be an orphan.
mankind would have no source of superior wisdom to consult - no one to help us solve our problems.
we would have to resort to human wisdom to avert enviromental disaster.
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Neon Bible
I can't stand when they make ridiculous statements like this. Can't they hear themselves? They are like Orphans for making such juvenile claims. They ask a question and than answer it for you since you are to childish to think for your self. It is such circular thinking.
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I don't believe there is a heaven...
by Snoozy ini don't believe there is a heaven that so many religions teach, do you?
it all sounds like a fairy tale made up to make dying easier or as a threat to make someone have a conscience... i got into a discussion about it with my jw converted to catholic daughter and she just couldn't believe anyone could feel like i do.
i am glad she threw away the jw teachings and glad she believes in something so wonderful but i for one just can't.
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JAFO, their is nothing wrong with having an intellectual discussion over opposing philosophical view points of theism and atheism. It does not matter which side you hold. I could very easily play devils advocate in such a debate. Rational thought and discussion from both sides is constructive to intellectual growth.
Unlike the Watchtower which is not open to free thought, I exercise that freedom. If you don't want to hear opposing views to your own world view I feel that is very narrow minded. Although a lot of people may have had negative experiences by association with controlling, totalitarian, religious organizations and power structures so they choose to not hear any view that reminds them of such a negative experience so they shut down all free thinking and reject any theistic discussion completely beyond reason. Which I do not blame them as I had to do the same.
I believe in free thinking and logic which requires criticism and opposing theories and hypothesis to be tested to find what evidence is worth holding on to until miss proven.
I follow the scientific method, if it opposes my current theory I change it and I don't let emotion get the way. This would apply both ways and to a religious person who ignores proven science and dishonestly chooses to believe the earth is flat. Also worth noting is that science changes all the time and most current scientific knowledge may be theorized but people may have a belief system within it. I try to stay objective and open to free thought.
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I don't believe there is a heaven...
by Snoozy ini don't believe there is a heaven that so many religions teach, do you?
it all sounds like a fairy tale made up to make dying easier or as a threat to make someone have a conscience... i got into a discussion about it with my jw converted to catholic daughter and she just couldn't believe anyone could feel like i do.
i am glad she threw away the jw teachings and glad she believes in something so wonderful but i for one just can't.
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Neon Bible
Farkel, I used to think the same exact way that you do and can really relate.
1. If you were to be presented with undeniable scientific and historical evidence and still choose to ignore it, that would just be intellectually dishonest. If you have a pre decided bias, that would go against the scientific method and any objective thinking.
2. Regarding God being a Murder... First your numbers of "Millions and Millions" is not accurate for representing the occasions when God commissioned His people to carry out judgment on corrupt and degenerate heathen nations through the profits of Israel in the Old testament. Only under extreme conditions was a war ever sanctioned and not after many years of warnings. God does not like the death of anyone but life and preservation of good from the destruction and corruption of evil. The wicked and corrupt people who would have destroyed and pillaged any and all law abiding citizens remaining in the world, the very ones with any good or preservation of morality remaining. God said he would spare a city if their was just one righteous man. So let us be that one righteous man. I would have to argue that a God that was not just and who would let such wickedness and suffering triumph over love, kindness and morality would be a God who did not care about us.
We know that war is the result of sin(or what you may define as evil in your own terms) and that it is essentially wrong or evil, but what should be our response when a nation like Germany (in WWII) rapes, pillages, and plunders another nation for profit or genocide? I think that Gleason L. Archer expresses the argument well:
"How could God be called 'good' if He forbade His people to protect their wives from ravishment and strangulation by drunken marauders, or to resist invaders who have come to pick up their children and dash out their brains against the wall? No policy would give freer rein to wickedness and crime than a complete surrender of the right of self-defense on the part of the law-abiding members of society. No more effective way of promoting the cause of Satan and the powers of hell could be devised than depriving law-abiding citizens of all right of self-defense. It is hard to imagine how any deity could be thought 'good' who would ordain such a policy of supine surrender to evil as that advocated by pacifism. All possibility of an ordered society would be removed on the abolition of any sort of police force. No nation could retain its liberty or preserve the lives of its citizens if it were prevented from maintaining any sort of army for its defense. It is therefore incumbent on a 'good God' to include the right of self-defense as the prerogative of His people. He would not be good at all if He were to turn the world over to the horrors of unbridled cruelty perpetrated by violent and bloody criminals or the unchecked aggression of invading armies."
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Is the "Watchtower Study" = Question and answer a form of brainwashing??
by Witness 007 inon sundays study we were always told to keep answers brief and from the paragraph as some brothers would add "other meterial" to their comments.
the "correct" answer is right there in the paragraph.
read question --------find answer in paragraph------underline/highlight------read related {not] scripture-----raise hand---give answer from paragraph as though it's your own thought.
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Neon Bible
As a kid I never knew where to start and stop underlining since you would just repeat everything you just read, so I would just highlight the entire paragraph.
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Anyone been watching American Horror Story or Walking Dead?
by EntirelyPossible inanyone been watching that or the walking dead?
both shows, in my opinion, are outstanding.. thoughts, likes, dislikes?.
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Neon Bible
Good show and no more violent than My Book of Bible Stories.
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Do you believe in Miracles?
by Snoozy indo you believe in miracles?
i know a lot of strange healings and such occur but why should it happen to one person and not another?
makes me doubt that real miracles exist... praying for someone..why should one person be prayed for and survive and another one prays and doesn't survive..is god choosey?.
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Neon Bible
Words and music by Queen
Every drop of rain that falls in Sahara Desert says it all
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I don't believe there is a heaven...
by Snoozy ini don't believe there is a heaven that so many religions teach, do you?
it all sounds like a fairy tale made up to make dying easier or as a threat to make someone have a conscience... i got into a discussion about it with my jw converted to catholic daughter and she just couldn't believe anyone could feel like i do.
i am glad she threw away the jw teachings and glad she believes in something so wonderful but i for one just can't.
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Farkel, I know exactly where you are coming from. Its is hard to take the Gospel on word alone as true and as an actual historical event without having hard evidence.
I don't see how books written by Jesus's closest followers or by someone he never met discounts it though. Would any writings make you think it was more than a myth or are you just looking for more scientific evidence such as artifacts, or other secular historical records for hard proof?
Snoozy, in Farkels defense…if you are talking about the History Channel, they tend to hype things up and sensationalize topics that don't always hold much weight. Specifically I am thinking of all the 2012 Myan/nostradamus predictions that are really distorted.
What I can not deny is the accuracy of Bible Prophesy. It is accurate 100% of the time, and that is astonishing. Unless you deny a true messiah was born, put to death and resurrected on the third day, 99%. And some of the prophecies are not even known until after they occur so they are not just self fulfilling.
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I don't believe there is a heaven...
by Snoozy ini don't believe there is a heaven that so many religions teach, do you?
it all sounds like a fairy tale made up to make dying easier or as a threat to make someone have a conscience... i got into a discussion about it with my jw converted to catholic daughter and she just couldn't believe anyone could feel like i do.
i am glad she threw away the jw teachings and glad she believes in something so wonderful but i for one just can't.
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Neon Bible
The ONLY ones who wrote about Jesus were his faithful and close followers who chose to write about "the son of GOD" at least 30 to 50 years after he died. Not one single Roman or any other non-Jew who were witnesses to his acts and "miracles" and who WERE literate wrote a single word which has been discovered wrote about him.
Actualy Paul was a Roman solider and he wrote 13 books.
John 4:48 "You believe because you have seen me. Blessed are those who believe without seeing me."